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@MikeM is looking for which Gaslight scenarios people might be interested in seeing re-published in a "Best Of Gaslight" scenario compilation.

 

Do you have a favourite?

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DAR

I'll have to look through my books when I get home for exact titles of specific scenarios, but Return of the Ripper is excellent and probably deserves a new/better treatment.

 

D.

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ColdSteel

The Eyes of a Stranger from the Sacraments of Evil book.

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WinstonP

Anything from Sacraments of Evil; I preferred those to Dark Designs' scenarios greatly. Is there any chance some or all the Golden Dawn material or scenarios might be included?

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DAR
On 15/07/2016 at 01:29, WinstonP said:

Anything from Sacraments of Evil; I preferred those to Dark Designs' scenarios greatly. Is there any chance some or all the Golden Dawn material or scenarios might be included?

 

Managing to get Pagan to republish Golden Dawn would amazing. I have my copy, but it gets old suggesting it to people and not having it available...

 

D.

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dce

My first vote would go for "The Masterwork of Nicholas Forby" ... but anything by Kevin Ross from any Gaslight book would also be a must.

 

Although I personally would love to see material from the Pagan "Golden Dawn" book re-published -- it's one of my favourite setting-books ever, and seriously far more obscure than it deserves -- I can't imagine that happening any time soon.

 

 

Dean (from Adelaide)

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Judgetrev

My first vote would go for "The Masterwork of Nicholas Forby" ... but anything by Kevin Ross from any Gaslight book would also be a must.

 

Although I personally would love to see material from the Pagan "Golden Dawn" book re-published -- it's one of my favourite setting-books ever, and seriously far more obscure than it deserves -- I can't imagine that happening any time soon.

 

Dean (from Adelaide)

 

I would love to have the Golden Dawn.  I would also like to know what is inside the unspeakable oath magazines that go for way to much money on Ebay.

If this stuff is so awesome and in demand, why not have it scanned and put up on drivethrurpg?  Or is it just collectable, and not really all that good for gaming?

 

I see all the weird judges guild stuff that showed up on drivethru.  I got a copy of ready ref sheets.  the scan isn't perfect by any means, but I love those ready ref sheets! 

 

I am sure I would be happy with a scan of the unspeakable oath, or the golden dawn source book.  If for no other reason than to satisfy my curiosity.

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WinstonP
On 15/07/2016 at 02:29, DAR said:
Managing to get Pagan to republish Golden Dawn would amazing. I have my copy, but it gets old suggesting it to people and not having it available...

 

I've got what I would consider to be a very expansive CoC collection and I've only been able to borrow a copy of Golden Dawn so I could read it.

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The_Tatterdemalion_King

Because I rarely get to say things that cause envy, I will say this: I got a copy of Golden Dawn for free.

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Shimmin Beg

I'd like the opportunity to get Sacraments of Evil, and of course an updated version would be preferable to an eBay copy.

 

Because I rarely get to say things that cause envy, I will say this: I got a copy of Golden Dawn for free.

 

*shakes fist, mutters*

 

I would honestly say not Dark Designs unless they want to commit to a reasonably thorough overhaul.  So it depends how much of a republish versus new edition they want to make this.

 

Similarly I'd be quite interested in some of the monographs in terms of topic, like Sudan and Raj, but as I've heard the execution leaves something to be desired I haven't bought them.  Raj in particular seems promising because it's quite a likely place for both NPCs and Investigators to have travelled or even lived, so it'd be for character background and it should be relatively easy to introduce links (or skeletons in the closet) from the past.  A revamped version I might buy.

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hamster

Both Sacraments of Evil and Dark Designs were actually quite good, although Sacrements would be the book I'd prefer to see republished.

 

Although my favourite scenario (and I cannot remember which book it was in) would be;

 

 

the scenario involving a 'possessed' statue of a saint(???) in a church

 

the details escape me and I'm not sure I've still got the book.....

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Tony Williams

Can someone explain why getting Pagan stuff reprinted is such a difficult issue - is it a rights thing ?

 

This is occasionally mentioned on the forums and I never really really understand why ( especially in these times of scanned PDFs of old products on DriveThru )

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dce

Can someone explain why getting Pagan stuff reprinted is such a difficult issue - is it a rights thing ?

 

This is occasionally mentioned on the forums and I never really really understand why ( especially in these times of scanned PDFs of old products on DriveThru )

 

For a lot of old Pagan stuff the major hurdle in the past to getting it into PDF form  has been the rather extreme position that John Crowe has taken about having his material released in any kind of electronic form. I have assumed that the non-existence of many Pagan books in PDF has been largely due to the "power of veto" of Crowe as one of its contributors.

 

However, that factor doesn't apply to The Golden Dawn ... although I would suggest that some of the behind-the-scenes angst associated with its production might mean that some of its contributors are not exactly rushing to revisit it.

 

All-in-all I suspect that the real reason that most of these old books are not in PDF form comes down to two factors: (1) at the time they were printed there was no concept of electronic publication of CoC material, so nobody's contract includes clauses covering it; and (2) one or more contributors has a personal reason to object to having new contracts written up to cover PDF publication -- perhaps because they are still waiting to be paid for their work first time around (:-)).

 

Disclaimer: this is all pure speculation -- I have no inside scoop on what any of the Pagan folks think. I am just going by public statements that have been made in the past.

 

 

Dean (from Adelaide)

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hamster

Can someone explain why getting Pagan stuff reprinted is such a difficult issue - is it a rights thing ?

 

This is occasionally mentioned on the forums and I never really really understand why ( especially in these times of scanned PDFs of old products on DriveThru )

 

I believe that rights is one of the issues, as Dean mentioned John Crowe 'could' be the other....

 

I believe that some of the problems could be to do with the way that the writers for Pagan retained ownership of their work, whereas (if I understand it correctly) companies like Chaosium own the rights for work they have essentially commissioned from authors.

 

That makes re-printing Pagan materials (even in PDF format) potentially problematic, as agreement would need to be reached about payment for the authors above and beyond what was originally agreed for the publication of the original books.

 

I'm not sure how that was resolved for the Delta Green reprints though.......

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ColdSteel
On 15/07/2016 at 08:46, hamster said:

Both Sacraments of Evil and Dark Designs were actually quite good, although Sacrements would be the book I'd prefer to see republished.

 

Although my favourite scenario (and I cannot remember which book it was in) would be;

 

 

the scenario involving a 'possessed' statue of a saint(???) in a church

 

the details escape me and I'm not sure I've still got the book.....

 

The adventure I think you're talking about was Sacraments of Evil from the book you guess it, Sacraments of Evil. Go figure.

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golfsale

Return of the Ripper is the best Gaslight supplement that I have read. I'd also like to see the Gaslight scenario(s) from The Whisperer magazine. I understand that one of them is a sequel to one of the Golden Dawn scenarios.

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Lammomedes

Since I brought up the issue of Gaslight lack of support in another thread, I'll echo much of what was said already:

 

Sacraments of Evil over Dark Designs any day. There are some decent scenario ideas in the latter, but the former is all around a better set of scenarios.

The Return of the Ripper, with some minor changes and edits (and better artwork and support) is a good option.

A pdf with print on demand option for Gaslight Equipment Catalogue (a very helpful source of stuff).

 

As others have said, while the odds are quite small, a reprint of Golden Dawn would be helpful, I doubt it is going to happen for a variety of reasons.

 

And to confirm some of what was said earlier, I heard directly from Scott Glancy at GenCon last year that a lot of the issues with reprinting old Pagan Publishing stuff (and even some of the delays with his WW1 Kickstarter (of which I am a patient backer)) is due to the anti-electronic format stance of John Crowe III.

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Judgetrev

If John Crowe is anti-electronic I totally respect that. Those old pagan publishing things are what they are. If you have one, consider yourself fortunate. If you don't, then be pleased that there is still treasure left to hunt for.

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dce

If John Crowe is anti-electronic I totally respect that. Those old pagan publishing things are what they are. If you have one, consider yourself fortunate. If you don't, then be pleased that there is still treasure left to hunt for.

 

I do sort of respect John's staunch hold-out stance against PDFs (even if it has largely been for naught; if I'm to believe accounts by colleagues of mine who haunt more nefarious corners of the web, while no *official* PDF versions exist of any John Crowe Pagan Pub book, every single one has been scanned by someone over the years and shared illegally with zero proceeds going back to either John or Pagan). There is some suggestion that this position might also have changed a little in recent times -- when Pagan ran their Kickstarter in 2014 for "Horrors of War" (which still hasn't delivered BTW), there was a lot of fuss initially over the fact that there was no PDF option for the book. Scott Glancy was very open about the fact that this was due to his co-writer John Crowe's strong opinions about electronic publishing -- after some potential backers threatening to otherwise boycott the campaign, Crowe eventually recanted and agreed to a PDF option being added (cf Project Update #2, 21 Sep 2014). Of course it's all academic until something finally gets released ...

 

 

Dean (from Adelaide)

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Shimmin Beg

Scott Glancy was very open about the fact that this was due to his co-writer John Crowe's strong opinions about electronic publishing -- after some potential backers threatening to otherwise boycott the campaign, Crowe eventually recanted and agreed to a PDF option being added (cf Project Update #2, 21 Sep 2014). Of course it's all academic until something finally gets released ...

 

Frankly, what puzzled me there was that Glancy agreed to work with Crowe on a project knowing that he was so strongly anti-PDF.  Given how much of the gaming market is electronic these days, it just seems like arbitrarily hurting yourself to agree to do all that work under those terms.  Of course he did eventually get Crowe to back down, but what if he hadn't?

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leonardolad

If I had to choose a single scenario I would go with Sacraments of Evil from... well, Sacraments of Evil.

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dce

A couple of years back I was involved in a book project to write some new CoC Gaslight scenarios ... in order to get an idea of what was already out there I put together a "cheat sheet" for myself which summarises the main Mythos themes, locations and plot points that have appeared in previously published scenarios. Maybe this list will be helpful to this discussion (even if only to help people recall which scenario is which).

 

It goes without saying that the summaries contain spoilers ... so don't read these if you're planning on playing in any published gaslight scenario anytime soon.

 

Gaslight, 1st & 2nd Edition
  • The Yorkshire Horror (Barton): Sherlock Holmes, Watson, Mycroft, Moriarty, Yorkshire, Beltane, Non-Euclidean Geometry, Rat-Things, Deep One taint, Dark Young, druids, octopus tattoo, Roman Britain, Church of the Starry Wisdom, night-gaunts, Manor under siege, Stonehenge, Nyarlathotep (Black Man, Crawling Chaos)
Dark Designs
  • Eyes For The Blind (Hallett): Creepy blind guys, the "spirit of Britain", the Green Man, gypsies, Dr John Dee, Henley Regatta, Robin Hoods Bower, London "Rookeries", Cornwall, Avebury megaliths
  • Menace From Sumatra (Jacklin): Plague/Taint brought back from primitive East, amnesiac missing person, East Indies company steamships
  • Lord of the Dance (Hallett): London Underground, Waxworks, Cornish Neolithic site, "Horn Dance" at Thaxted (occult ritual), Tollesbury on te Essex Coast (gate to Dreamlands & the "Sunken City"), pre-Roman ruins uncovered by Underground excavation, people trapped in mirrors, Tindalos
Sacraments of Evil
  • Eyes of a Stranger (Aniolowski): séance, Inscrutable Chinese gang (Si-Fan), Fu Manchu, Freemason conspiracy, red herring link to Jack the Ripper, Yekubians & Juk-Shabb, Coach Chase
  • Masterwork of Nicholas Forby (Love): rural Middlesex, Recurring Family Curse, Statue Animated by Unquiet Spirit, Poetic Justice inflicted upon heirs, Treasure Hunt, "green man"
  • Plant Y Daear (Ross): Black Mountains of Wales, Little People of Welsh folklore, Realms beneath the hills, Child of half-faerie (=tainted) blood, Serpent Person, Black Stone (related to Black Monolith?), Siege of the Little People!
  • Sacraments of Evil (Behrendt): York Minster Cathedral, Clergy, Aristocrat fallen on hard times, lloigor trapped within statue, Pair of killers each with different MO, surgical murders (pineal removed), killer acting under mental domination, Hunchback bookseller
  • The Scuttling (Woods, Ross): Sailing voyage to New York, Bust of Lady Jane Grey , Undersea quake
  • Signs Writ In Scarlet (Ross): London's East End, ritualistic murders (committed by a mad woman), creepy asylums, immoral experiments, Liao Drug, Hounds of Tindalos, Insane victim retreating into another persona, NPC with romantic attachment to murderer, police coroners, Vigilance committee
Taint of Madness
  • Turnabout (Tice, Appel, Rowe): Bedlam Asylum, Animal sacrifice in Hyde Park, Nyarlathotep, Lunatics taking over the asylum (clup)
Golden Dawn (Pagan Pub)
  • The Room Beyond (Tynes): Lovecraft's "From Beyond", W.B. Yeats, Golden Dawn ritual, astral plane
  • Hell Hath no Fury (Hatherley): Family curse, Freemasons, Witch burnings, Derbyshire, Arthurian Legend, painted-over fresco, byakhee, scary woods, Celtic carved wards
  • La Musique de la Nuit (Aniolowski): Paris, Phantom of the Opera, Denizens of Yaddith, young Erich Zann, Golden Dawn Paris temple, Gaston Leroux, Thugee cult, Napoleon's tomb
  • Sheela-na-gig (Tynes, Hall, Ross): King Arthur as a worshipper of Shub-Niggurath, attack on St. Pauls cathedral, Aleister Crowley, Goatswood, Soho brothel, Holy Grail, Celtic carvings, Ripper-like prostitute murders in Whitechapel, astral parasites, Dark Young
Return of the Ripper (Monograph)
  • Return of the Ripper (Barton): East End, Orginal Ripper Murders, New Ripper murders, prostitutes, Tcho-Tcho ritual curse, Dimensional Shambler, “psychic vampireâ€, ghouls, Madame Tussaud's Wax Museum, Y'Golonac, Giant Rat of Sumatra, Country Estate (Barnet, north of Camden), Coal Mine in Clackmannen (Scotland)
Cthulhu Britannica (Cubicle 7)
  • Bad Company (Bligh): Decadent Upper Class, Son of Peer goes missing, Fake "deposed Eastern European aristocrat" actually a Mythos god called Chernabog (=Y'Golonac), bohemians associated with the Theatre, blackmail letters, overarching desire to avoid scandal even at ridiculous costs, back-street "hack" doctor, London Slums, (optional Russian agents), pursued by hack journalist, poor proof-reading
Gaslight, 3rd Edition
  • Night of the Jackals (Ross): British Military in Egypt, mummy, cursed treasure & string of related deaths, Egyptian cult desperate to regain artifacts removed by explorers, Child of the Sphinx, Charing Cross Station, Society clubs, Estate in Hampstead, Islington, ritual to resurrect mummy
  • The Burnt Man (Watts): Dartmoor, Little People, Shub-Niggurath, Wicker Man, druidic sacrifices documented by Romans, monoliths, purported haunting, Winter Solstice, Death of Peer of the Realm, ancient family curse, Gypsies

 

 

Dean (from Adelaide)

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Mysterioso

Wouldn't an omnibus that combined both Dark Designs and Sacraments of Evil make the most sense?  (If nine scenarios is too unwieldy for one book, maybe pull a Ross scenario or two and make that part of the book that is already being planned, which, IIRC, is by Ross.) Then, maybe down the road, pull together all the Barton material into one book?

 

A Western and Colonial book is really needed to show folks that Gaslight is not just hansom cabs in London.

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DAR
On 15/07/2016 at 08:26, Shimmin Beg said:

Similarly I'd be quite interested in some of the monographs in terms of topic, like Sudan and Raj, but as I've heard the execution leaves something to be desired I haven't bought them.  Raj in particular seems promising because it's quite a likely place for both NPCs and Investigators to have travelled or even lived, so it'd be for character background and it should be relatively easy to introduce links (or skeletons in the closet) from the past.  A revamped version I might buy.

 

I was so excited by Raj - and then was really disappointed. I agree that it is a setting book rife with potential, unfortunately the monograph delivered none of it :-(

 

I think it is a prime example of just how little work was put into actually vetting the monographs by that era of Chaosium.

 

On 15/07/2016 at 04:59, WinstonP said:

I've got what I would consider to be a very expansive CoC collection and I've only been able to borrow a copy of Golden Dawn so I could read it.

 

Same, but I've been a supporter of Pagan ever since the early days. I've only ever sold off things that I could immediately replace - so the Eyes Only Chapbooks were replaced by the collected book, and all of my old boxed Chaosium sets were replaced by the reprinted books. The boxed sets I have some nostalgia for, but not enough that I would pay the insane prices that people paid for them on Ebay 10+ years ago (most of them shipped to Australia IIRC).

 

D.

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nclarke

I was lucky enough to pick up Golden Dawn at the Conception Bring and Buy a few years back. I don't think the seller know how much it would have been worth on eBay.

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