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Shrike

Curses, I missed out on the operator spots. Those darn Brits got there first it looks like. Of course the Kickstarter went live as I was taking my nephew to school. It's all a conspiracy I tell you!

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WinstonP

Curses, I missed out on the operator spots. Those darn Brits got there first it looks like. Of course the Kickstarter went live as I was taking my nephew to school. It's all a conspiracy I tell you!

 

From the Comments section on the Kickstarter page:

 

We may open up some more OPERATOR tiers for sourcebooks once we hit the main goal. Bug Shane or Dennis about it when we get there. :)

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GBSteve

Curses, I missed out on the operator spots. Those darn Brits got there first it looks like. Of course the Kickstarter went live as I was taking my nephew to school. It's all a conspiracy I tell you!

 

I was third in line and filling my form out, but I was too slow and also missed out on an operator spot.

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Shrike

I am impressed they've raised this amount so quickly. But it's a long way still to the magical 120K mark.

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JeffErwin

Poverty strikes again. Maybe I'll pull for the pdfs. But at $100 that's a lot for a single father... even one aware that he will probably buy them down the line.

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HomoLupusDomesticus

I'm tempted but I dread the shipping costs for delivery to Europe. Is there an indication of what the retail price of the book will be once it's out?

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Shrike

Poverty strikes again. Maybe I'll pull for the pdfs. But at $100 that's a lot for a single father... even one aware that he will probably buy them down the line.

 

It would seem you have an incentive to spend now, because that will potentially get you more stuff as more stretch goals are reached. It seems wise to at least pledge $1 and get all the updates and monitor how things go during the funding period. Of course, if everyone who is sitting on the fence takes the latter course of action, that makes the stretch goals more difficult to reach ...

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Azimuth

Something about the levels for this Kickstarter just feel off - perhaps it's because Delta Green teaches you to trust no-one... (but the cost for hardback plus all PDFs apart from the Trail of Cthulhu one with an extra hardback price increase for stretch goals and no shipping seems both a bit steep and also rather opaque).

 

Still, right now I don't really feel inclined to throw my money down on this, and will wait and see. Think I'll put some money towards the YSDC collection box instead, given it's the last day of the month and it's looking a bit thin.

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PoC

Think I'll put some money towards the YSDC collection box instead, given it's the last day of the month and it's looking a bit thin.

 

Just a quick aside to say "thank you". Yoggie's still recovering from the major server upgrades over the summer and it's a big help.

 

The Delta Green RPG Kickstarter has done very well out of the door. I think that's been helped by being long trailed and the release of pent-up demand. As of typing it's at the $70K (US) mark, but as @Shrike says, it's still a fair way to the $120,000 target.

 

I also noted some comments from backers referring to the new FedEx International Mail Service that some other RPG KS projects are planning to use for included international shipping

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Pookie

Curses, I missed out on the operator spots. Those darn Brits got there first it looks like. Of course the Kickstarter went live as I was taking my nephew to school. It's all a conspiracy I tell you!

 

Sorry about that. I saw the e-mail pop into my inbox and leaped at the chance when I had it.

 

Glad to see that it has funded so quickly. Four or so hours is quite amazing.

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FreddieF

If people are interested in international shipping costs to the UK, I did a quick price estimate using the USPS calculator linked to from the Kickstarter page. If you're after the Agents Handbook and Fall of Delta Green (as it appears Arc Dream will be shipping this from the States as part of the KS, not Pelgrane from the UK, which seems strange to me), then shipping is looking like $40+ for just first class international, with prices increasing to $80+ for 3-5 day services and flat rate boxes. This is based on the size and weight estimates provided by Arc Dream for the books.

 

As a result, I've curbed my enthusiastic money throwing back to $100 for all the PDFs (although I might curtail this further, as there don't seem to be many PDFs as yet, plus that $120k goal is a ways off - I'll see how the campaign pans out). I'll happily throw the extra $120 in for the Case Officers Book and FoDG should an EU friendly shipping option appear. If not, I'll just wait until retail, especially for FoDG as I can order it direct from Pelgrane with their UK based distribution...

 

Arc Dream have mentioned in the comments that they are looking into a better option for international fulfilment, so there is hope yet!

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Munchezuma

Something about the levels for this Kickstarter just feel off - perhaps it's because Delta Green teaches you to trust no-one... (but the cost for hardback plus all PDFs apart from the Trail of Cthulhu one with an extra hardback price increase for stretch goals and no shipping seems both a bit steep and also rather opaque).

 

I'm a bit confused on this as well. The money doesn't seem to add up to the right value for me. I was looking at the $150 for a hardback plus PDFs. So I get a hardback, in full color but no mention of page count, and an as yet undetermined number of PDFs. I think I will drop my pledge to $1 for the time being. I guess I don't see why I shouldn't just wait until my FLGS gets it.

 

Maybe I am not understanding this KS either. For example, the add-on PDFs - do you add them on to any pledge? Or are they included with the "all PDF pledges?"

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littleo

You can add any of the add-ons to any pledge if you want additional copies, or your pledge level doesn't include them. The "all PDFpledges" levels include only new PDFs unlocked with this campaign. Right now that is the 2 PDF adventures listed as stretch goals and the new rulebook. I think...

Mike D

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FreddieF

I'm a bit confused on this as well. The money doesn't seem to add up to the right value for me. I was looking at the $150 for a hardback plus PDFs. So I get a hardback, in full color but no mention of page count, and an as yet undetermined number of PDFs. I think I will drop my pledge to $1 for the time being. I guess I don't see why I shouldn't just wait until my FLGS gets it.

 

I kind of agree here - it is a bit strange. The $100 pledge level is not that appealing right now (although I expect it will be by the end). However, only two PDF stretch goals (3 if you count the Case Officers book when it hits $120k), along with the Agents book isn't seeming like excellent value. In fact, at face value, its about $60. I assume Arc Dream are expecting a lot of content to be unlocked, but it is a little worrying looking at the current stretch goals and not seeing much coming up... 

 

This said, Kicktraq is currently predicting an end sum of around $1 million, so I'm hopeful about how much content is going to be released over the course of the campaign. However, if it's not feeling like a good reward level, I might also have to drop my pledge level down. Also, in the current situation, physical books are just not feasible with shipping and potential customs charges, which is disappointing.

 

Mike D is right about the PDF situation as well - the All the PDFs pledge is only for NEW material from this campaign. Previous PDFs have to be added on to your pledge.

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dennisd

Hey guys, Dennis here. Here's our update from the KS page. It addresses a lot here, so I'm cross-posting.
 
Funded in 4 hours, 181% funded in a day. Amazing. When we came to Kickstarter, we weren't even certain the Agent's Handbook would fund, and here we are well on our way to the Case Officer's Book. Thank you.

 

So far, we've unlocked:

  • THE AGENT'S HANDBOOK: All you need to play the Delta Green RPG(Rules preview available here).
  • VISCID: A new Delta Green scenario by Dennis Detwiller, wherein the agents find that even magic has a half-life. ADD-ON COST: $5, PDF only.
  • OBSERVER EFFECT: A new Delta Green scenario by Shane Ivey. Most physicists think a new lab's experiment to study the nature of reality won't reveal a thing. Your Delta Green agents are about to learn otherwise. ADD-ON COST: $5, PDF only.

At $120k we unlock:

  • THE CASE OFFICER'S HANDBOOK: This big, color hardback will have everything from the Agent's Handbook plus a Game Moderator's view of the setting and ton of new material for running Delta Green campaigns, customizing the setting and the threats, and keeping your players surprised and scared. ADD-ON COST: $70 for the hardback plus PDF, or $30 for just the PDF. (You can change your AGENT'S HANDBOOK pledge to this for an additional $20; this is a separate book from the AGENT'S HANDBOOK and contains everything found in the AGENT'S HANDBOOK).

We're working on something very special to fit in at around the 95k mark, right now. More on that later.

Still, we continue to make adjustments. No plan survives first contact with the enemy, and publishing and Kickstarter has a thousand pitfalls we at Arc Dream are very, very familiar with, and will not make. It's why when you pledge, you can be confident in getting your product.

We get a lot of suggestions that open with "in this other Kickstarter I saw..."; and we're going to stop you right there — in the great scheme of things, our most important mission is to get you quality books. Many other companies chase a growing total to see how high it can go; we are not that company. Many, many (many, many) other Kickstarters end in financial disaster, either through malfeasance, or miscalculation. We've created A LOT of Kickstarters, and we worked hard to make sure we're not hanging ourselves promising something in the tiers that will come back and kill us in the end.
 
I have heard many people ask for t-shirts and other things that are literally black holes of productivity (someone needs to source them, size them and ship them, and that someone is one of the book creators). We won't be creating a chain of crap side-items that destroy our productivity to make five more dollars per order.  

We've also gotten a lot of great ideas (and have changed our tiers to suit when possible). Keep submitting ideas (even if they might be misinformed ones, we'd rather hear them than not), but I would encourage you to do one thing in particular: 

Keep complaint spam off the Comments section.

If you have a complaint, question, or an idea, you can reach me at dennis.detwiller@me.com Please, drop me a line and let me know what you're thinking and try to keep negative comments to a minimum.

A couple of general notes:

  • You can adjust your pledge at any time (if any of that tier are available).
  • Every pledge is refundable at request with no explanation.
  • We're working on figuring something out to ease international shipping (though, if we pull THAT off we might as well start doing that for a living!)

And one last note as to what the Delta Green RPG Kickstarter is about. Many Kickstarters are about raking in as much money as possible through any means possible. The service has transformed from a pre-funding/early read on the public response to a product mechanism, to a lottery ticket.

This is not one of those Kickstarters. It will not be one of those Kickstarters. 
 
Our goals are:

  • Do not chase product at a loss. 
  • Create quality product.
  • Pay our people so their work is stellar. 
  • Get these products to you as fast as is possible.

All money pledged here moves the Delta Green RPG line forward. The higher the total, the faster these books will be made and released. So, if your plan involves waiting on the sidelines to buy the book at retail, I have some rough news: if it's not funded here, it's likely not coming out.

So get in there, pledge what you can. Spread the word. Let's make this happen. Help us create the apocalypse.

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HomoLupusDomesticus

So, what page count are we looking at for the Agent's Handbook?

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dennisd

As I've learned from SENSE OF THE SLEIGHT OF HAND MAN (which doubled in size), it's difficult to say. Over 160 at least.

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crazy_cat

One question - 'If you have a complaint, question, or an idea, you can reach me at dennis.detwiller@me.com Please, drop me a line and let me know what you're thinking and try to keep negative comments to a minimum' - why?

 

It's crowdfunding - the whole point is the social/crowd thing - the whole intent and purpose is that people can raise issues/ideas/criticisms and share them with the crowd right there where the funding and debate are taking place, and that the creator can respond to the crowd there also.

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dennisd

"It's crowdfunding - the whole point is the social/crowd thing - the whole intent and purpose is that people can raise issues/ideas/criticisms and share them with the crowd right there where the funding and debate are taking place, and that the creator can respond to the crowd there also."

 

What it leads to is misinformation spreading, people complaining about things that are just plain wrong and more. I've been doing it since 2005 (hell, 2003, even). The point of crowdfunding is not a lively debate on a public forum (I'm uncertain where this comes from?) The point is pre-funding a project, or not. Questions are fine, listing something as a "fact" in a complaint when it is not just sucks up time, and pledges. 

 

Let me illustrate with an example: "International shipping is expensive" is a useless comment to us. It's something we understand and have done, like with x15,000 books for years. We've hit it at every angle and we'll continue to do so. It raises no debate. It offers no solution, all it does is dissuade. In other words, it is useless, and just takes up space. Sending me an email covers your base, as that commenter, and I can respond, and lo and behold, we don't have the International Shipping sucks referendum #112 in the thread. It's like getting on a swimming pool forum and saying "leaves keep falling in my pool". 

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christian

Hoping Sans Detour will help. They were very eager to help out Oscar, and did a great job. Only problem is that they are working very hard on their own version 7. Should you need me to contact Christian Grussi IRL, no problem

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Azimuth

I'm finding this a bit hard to follow, but it looks like there are new, cheaper tiers that are equivalent to earlier, more expensive ones - eg.:

 

$100 - HARD TARGETS: The Agent's Handbook full-color hardback; the Agent's Handbook in PDF; and all the new PDFs that are listed under "Add-On Rewards Funded by This Project". See the main project description for details on getting additional books and downloads, and notes about international shipping. In the book's acknowledgements we'll thank you by the name you choose.

 

vs.

$150 - AGENT'S HARDBACK AND EVERY PDF: The Agent's Handbook in full-color hardback, its PDF, and all the books and downloads funded by this project in PDF, delivered as they are available. (Does not include THE FALL OF DELTA GREEN.) In the book's acknowledgements we'll thank you by the name you choose. See the main project description for details on getting additional books and downloads, and notes about international shipping. In the book's acknowledgements we'll thank you by the name you choose.

 

There's also a new $80 RISING THREATS level that seems to replicate the older $100 EVERY SINGLE PDF / EVERY SINGLE NEW PDF level.

 

Edit: Ah, nope, it's not that at all:
 

"What is the difference between the $100 Hard Targets level and the $150 Hardback and Every PDF level?"

Hard Targets: AH book, AH PDF all add-on PDFs (not the other new books in PDF). $100

Hardback and Every PDF: AH book, AH PDF, all books in PDF funded by the project $150.

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dennisd

Here's a product matrix to clear any confusion up.

 

Matrix.jpg

 

Cheers

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clockworkjoe

I'm finding this a bit hard to follow, but it looks like there are new, cheaper tiers that are equivalent to earlier, more expensive ones - eg.:

 

$100 - HARD TARGETS: The Agent's Handbook full-color hardback; the Agent's Handbook in PDF; and all the new PDFs that are listed under "Add-On Rewards Funded by This Project". See the main project description for details on getting additional books and downloads, and notes about international shipping. In the book's acknowledgements we'll thank you by the name you choose.

 

vs.

$150 - AGENT'S HARDBACK AND EVERY PDF: The Agent's Handbook in full-color hardback, its PDF, and all the books and downloads funded by this project in PDF, delivered as they are available. (Does not include THE FALL OF DELTA GREEN.) In the book's acknowledgements we'll thank you by the name you choose. See the main project description for details on getting additional books and downloads, and notes about international shipping. In the book's acknowledgements we'll thank you by the name you choose.

 

There's also a new $80 RISING THREATS level that seems to replicate the older $100 EVERY SINGLE PDF / EVERY SINGLE NEW PDF level.

 

Edit: Ah, nope, it's not that at all:

 

 

Hi everyone,

 

This is Ross Payton from Role Playing Public Radio -  I'm helping Arc Dream promote the Kickstarter, including answering questions about it. 

 

"Rising Threats" is the current version of  EVERY SINGLE PDF / EVERY SINGLE NEW PDF  reward, adjusted to make it more of a steal. Anyone who pledged $100 for Every PDF tier would be smart to instead pledge $80 for the Rising Threats tier. They can use that extra $20 to get other rewards if they want.

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Munchezuma

So I am really feeling like I have failed my Library Use roll here. I had gotten confused about the differences, if any, between Hard Targets and Agent's Hardback and Every PDF. However, it looks like Hard Targets has vanished?

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