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Danial

I discovered a cure for wiki addiction. Have your wife break her arm and then have to look after your oxygen-dependent baby on your own (while also taking care of your wife). It worked for me :)

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yronimoswhateley

I discovered a cure for wiki addiction. Have your wife break her arm and then have to look after your oxygen-dependent baby on your own (while also taking care of your wife). It worked for me :)

 

Yikes!  I hope everyone makes a speedy recovery, Danial!

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Danial

Yikes! I hope everyone makes a speedy recovery, Danial!

Thanks. I think they said 6 weeks originally, and it's been 2 already, so only another month hopefully.

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leonardolad

Sounds tough, Danial. I wish your baby and wife a quick recovery. My wife and 16-months old baby girl keep me away from falling into madness reading the forbidden tomes as well, as I work from 8h to 17h and have to be a dad from 18h on while my wife writes her PhD thesis.

 

And I agree with Simmin Beg. Sometimes editing is just the right way to finish your day. That and a glass of Macallan Sherry Oak.

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Danial

I have a quick question: What's the point of the "Campaign" template/pages? It doesn't contain any information that's not already in the supplement/scenario pages associated with it.

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Pookie

I have noticed that many of the entries for various campaigns, books, and supplements include links to my reviews.

For those links that have been included, I simply say, "Thank you."

 

As to the others, whom do I inform of the appropriate links?

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yronimoswhateley

Hi Pookie - I've included links when I've found them in routine Google searches, but I've probably missed more than I've caught.  Is there a list of your reviews anywhere?

 

For that matter, I'll be happy to include links to anyone else's reviews as well: I know that I've also seen a couple other familiar names on the search results, but I haven't tried tracking down more than that yet, either... it was always something I'd try to figure out after getting the synopses in place, and I'm nearly done with that so now is as good a time as any to try to find where the reviews are living!

 

(While I'm thinking of it, Yock's been reading all the common Lovecraft fiction for the last couple months, and posting reviews of each of the stories in a blog.  I think those reviews would make great additions to synopses of Lovecraft's stories, and I don't think that synopses and other information about the stories are consistently documented in the Wiki yet, so perhaps that's something to look into later.)

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yronimoswhateley

Between Danial, Leonardolad, Meyer, and myself (and probably others that I missed), I believe we've added synopses and other details for over 75 scenarios over the last couple months to all the great work that was already in the Wiki.  That's far more than I ever thought we'd get done - great work, everyone!  :)

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Shimmin Beg

I've just been having a quick browse through and yes, amazing work everyone!  Great to see those red links fizzling out.  Lots of good Keeper advice to be seen too, really impressive.

 

If I may offer a couple of suggestions on categories?  I realise these are opening gambits, not intended to be comprehensive scenario descriptions, but I might as well stick my oar in early...

  • We might as well stick "campaign scenario" on all the campaigns, because that classification at least is uncontroversial I think.  It also makes it pretty clear to Keepers that it's probably not going to slot into that unexpected Friday night.
  • I personally aim to distinguish the "scenarios referencing DEITY" and "DEITY scenarios" for a couple of reasons.  One is that references can be really nice in an ongoing campaign where you're theming it around a particular GOO, or just aiming to slowly drip-feed Mythos references in, but you maybe don't want an unexpected Gla'aki popping up.  The flipside is you can dig up scenarios with actual GOOs easily if you want that big bang.
  • Keywords are really helpful for finding the right sort of thing, maybe more so than most categories.  You can always tone down the combat, or cut down the Mythos references, or even swap out monsters, but building a physics-themed scenario set in backwoods Canada out of The Haunting is much harder :)  Scatter them about liberally.

I have finally secured home internet, so although I can no longer write wiki articles at work (alas!) I hope to get back into editing shortly.

 

 

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yronimoswhateley

Welcome back to the Internet!  :)

 

I concluded while doing this that adding categories was probably the hardest part of the work. 

 

 

 

I think it's not so much that it's a really complicated or time-consuming or boring task, as much as it is a tasks that get bigger, the more time you spend on it. 

 

I know that several times I'd think "well, THAT was an weird scenario, there can't possibly be a category for it already!" and then I'd look, and, what do you know?  There actually was a category that fit that bizarre and seemingly one-of-a-kind aspect to it.  And, I couldn't count the number of times I'd be looking for one category, and then notice a category that was standing there all along that I'd never noticed before, sending me running back to some scenarios I'd added in days before, so I could add that category tag to them because it's too appropriate to ignore now that I know it's there.

 

At the end of the day, it's always rewarding to see that big list of links at the bottom of the scenario page, and know that the scenario I just went through the trouble of detailing for the Wiki is now easier for keepers to find, see the detail put into the page, and make informed decisions about whether the scenario is appropriate for the keeper's game.  But, it's definitely the part I put off until the end (partly because it's the hardest part, and partly because it's even harder to do before everything else is done!)

 

It's much easier to add one or two new categories to someone else's work, than to try to do the job by yourself from scratch - I always end up thinking to myself "I'll just add four categories to this page, just four, that should be a good start, someone else might think of more, but that's how this works!"  And, next thing I know, I've got 8 or 12 categories, and I know I can find even more if I just look a little harder....

 

So, perhaps adding categories is sometimes a part of the job that can always benefit a lot from a fresh pair of eyes, and something best done in small doses.

 

 

 

I think that, for those who don't have the free time needed to add a complete scenario's synopsis and details to the Wiki and who aren't sure what else they can do to help, I think two things they can do that would help a lot would be:

  • Categories:  Once or twice a week, visit an existing page for a scenario someone else added that you are also familiar with, check the categories at the bottom out, compare to the lists of categories found here (link), and see if there's one or two more categories that you can think of to add to the scenario's page, especially if it doesn't have very many already.  One or two more categories should be relatively easy to think of, it doesn't take long to do it, and every little bit helps there!
  • Reviews:  If you've reviewed a scenario before, please check out its page, and see if your review is listed under the "links" section.  If not, it's almost certainly not because the editors were ignoring your review - it's easy to miss great ones while editing these pages.  And check out the pages for scenarios you are familiar with, and see if they are missing links to reviews... if they don't already have one, feel free to write your own review.  Either way, add a link to your review, everyone benefits from more links to good, subjective scenario reviews in addition to the cold facts on the scenario's wiki page!
  • Keeper's Notes:  I think that any keeper who has run enough scenarios has run into at least one where the keeper realized at some point something was wrong and needed to be fixed, or that there was a better way of doing things, or that a clarification needed to be made, or that the scenario gave them some good ideas for sequels or embellishments.  If a scenario like this already has a page, and you have a suggestion that makes it to use, a warning about possible problems in the scenario with work-arounds for them, or some additions or changes that your group enjoyed, add a Keeper's Note or two about it.  (This is, I think, one of my favorite parts of a scenario review or synopsis!)

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Danial

Between Danial, Leonardolad, Meyer, and myself (and probably others that I missed), I believe we've added synopses and other details for over 75 scenarios over the last couple months to all the great work that was already in the Wiki.  That's far more than I ever thought we'd get done - great work, everyone!  :)

 

Has it really been that many? Wow. I'm not sure how many of those I've contributed, but that's still a great result :)

 

I've still got a lot on my to-do list, but my wife's arm is still broken, so they're just going to have to wait a little longer (unless someone else wants to take them). However, I did manage to do the Lovecraftian Horrors page the other day as it was mostly a copy-and-paste job.

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PoC

Great stuff! Thank you, all, for helping to make the Wiki better for everyone.

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Graham

Just added the first scenario "In the Waters of Wyman", published in White Wolf along with details of the magazine.

 

Later: I've completed a writeup of the third of four Call of Cthulhu scenarios ("Cannibal Express") published in White Wolf Magazine.

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leonardolad

Cool, Graham!

 

Question: I'm editing Wooden Death from Secrets of Kenya, a scenario that features the Mi-Go, and also The Red Flux, M'bwa and the Tree-Men. The later three are closely connected, since M'bwa is a unique servitor of the Red Flux, responsible for capture and transform humans into Tree-Men using a serum secreted by the Red Flux. It's unlikely that we shall see any one of them without the others and there's already a category for Tree-Men of M'bwa scenarios. Do you think we should have categories for Red Flux scenarios and M'bwa scenarios or it would be kinda redundant?

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Shimmin Beg

Cool, Graham!

 

Question: I'm editing Wooden Death from Secrets of Kenya, a scenario that features the Mi-Go, and also The Red Flux, M'bwa and the Tree-Men. The later three are closely connected, since M'bwa is a unique servitor of the Red Flux, responsible for capture and transform humans into Tree-Men using a serum secreted by the Red Flux. It's unlikely that we shall see any one of them without the others and there's already a category for Tree-Men of M'bwa scenarios. Do you think we should have categories for Red Flux scenarios and M'bwa scenarios or it would be kinda redundant?

 

I think I may have created the Tree-Men category.  I never really settled on a satisfactory answer for novel Mythos beings, to be honest - it's obvious that a Mi-go Scenarios page was needed, but you don't know whether a new critter will become popular or not.  And an editor doesn't necessarily know whether a scenario's monsters are based on an existing story or even actual mythology, both of which make them rather more likely to reappear.

 

I'd probably tend to say yes to Red Flux (if it seems plausible that the entity could be used again) but no to M'bwa.  Maybe we should also hack the Tree-Men category into a more generic Plant-Creature one?

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leonardolad

I'd probably tend to say yes to Red Flux (if it seems plausible that the entity could be used again) but no to M'bwa.  Maybe we should also hack the Tree-Men category into a more generic Plant-Creature one?

 

 

I agree. If there are another Plant-Creatures out there it's a good idea to have a category for it. Also, if we'll have a category to specifically cover Wandrei's creations, I would say probably should go with the Red Flux.

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Tony Williams

A thank you to the volunteers whipping the Wiki into shape.

 

Also a request for a navigation menu on the left:

 

Can we have the category "publishers" added to the left menu for a quick link to get back to the list of Publishers

Similarly the category "Supplements" added to the left menu to get to the list of supplements.

 

Further down the road -> each Publisher entry should have its list of supplements added after the history of the publisher, so you can go to a publisher page, read about the publisher and then look at its list of material all on one page.

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Graham

Added a writeup of Polyhedron, Issue 54, the magazine that contained what I think is the only Call of Cthulhu scenario published by TSR.

 

Planning to clear up my backlog of Magazines and magazine published scenarios over the next few weeks.

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WinstonP

I was checking the "forthcoming" page recently and noticed that the Super Genius Games site is dead. I assume the company is gone as well?

 

Also would it make sense to split the forthcoming and cancelled page into two separate pages, one for each category?

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Graham

I was checking the "forthcoming" page recently and noticed that the Super Genius Games site is dead. I assume the company is gone as well?

 

Also would it make sense to split the forthcoming and cancelled page into two separate pages, one for each category?

 

I think it would, so seconded.

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dce

I think it would, so seconded.

 

While it does sound like a good idea, I do wonder how easy it would be to definititively KNOW whether a previously announced title has been cancelled. What I have usually seen happen is ... well ... nothing, things just sort of drift off without any word of whether people are still working on them or not. At what point would you call something like that "cancelled"?

 

 

Dean (from Adelaide)

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WinstonP

At what point would you call something like that "cancelled?

We could have "forthcoming" include everything not definitely cancelled but perhaps just label them as "indefinitely delayed" or "likely abandoned"... At least until some clever philosopher (for example, you Dean) resurrects them from their Essential Saltes.

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The_Tatterdemalion_King

Well, it begs the question of whether or not this particular wiki wants you to do original research.

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WinstonP

Well, it begs the question of whether or not this particular wiki wants you to do original research.

 

When I first made up the list of 'forthcoming' products I emailed all the CoC publishers I knew of, so research is not a foreign concept to me.

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Shimmin Beg

I finally managed to get round to actually adding another article, and will be working slowly through Terrors from Beyond (I know there was some kind of list going).  I always intended to review it, but I don't think I'm going to have the time to do that for a while yet.  Alas, my new job requires me to actually work all the time.  What's that about?

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