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As part of the recent move, we're having a bit of a tidy up on the forum organisation (in an effort to reduce the over all number of forums to a more managable level).

 

As such the old d20 CoC forum has been merged with the Other eras, Settings & Systems forum, with d20 threads tagged with a [d20] prefix or having d20 in the rest of their title. Over the past few years the d20 conversations have tailed off dramatically, so it was a good candiate for merging.

 

Other forum updates include:

 

Merging of Buy/Trade/Sale forums - again with new prefixes available to distinguish thread type.

 

Reconfiguration of the Cthulhu Dark Ages forum to Cthulhu Antiquita which now also hosts Cthulhu Invictus conversations (again appropariate thread prefixes available).

 

Currently considering whether the Cthulhu Britannica may be merged. The original plan was as a location for MikeM to build up resources for a Cthulhu Britannica supplement back in about 2004...

 

[Update: The Cthulhu Britannica forum has now been folded into the Other eras, Settings & Systems forum, again with pre-fix tags where appropriate to denote topic.]

 

Paul

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grodog

Thanks for the explanations, Paul: I was wondering about what happened to the other classifieds forums.

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StephanieMcAlea

Good move. As ever Paul you have proved a wise conduit for GOO.

 

:)

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Xipuloxx

Hi Paul,

 

Is there some reason the publishers section is done the way it is, as a sort of subforum instead of being shown on the forum front page like everything else? You have to actually click on "publishers" to take you into that subforum...

 

(I know you can click on the individual publishers on the front page, but you can't see which ones have new posts.)

 

Not a huge deal, but it seems odd and somewhat messy.

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PoC

It was done because they are relatively low posting traffic areas but occupy a chunk of room on the screen. We had complaints that the forums took up too much screen scrolling, so this was a way to condense things while still being accessible.

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Xipuloxx

Ah, I see. But isn't that why you made the categories collapsible? If there's a category I'm not interested in, I just collapse it so it doesn't take up so much room onscreen.

 

Alternatively, given how little traffic there is, you could just make it a single "publishers" forum...

 

As I said, it's not really a big dea, but it just looks messy to me, and it niggles every time I have to click on "publishers" to see which publisher's forum has new posts in it!

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PoC

Obviously the collapsible button collapses the whole category, this way they still remain visable at the top level with people less likely to "collapse" it and see nothing further.

 

Just a single "Publishers" forum is an interesting idea, but the Publishers there are also Moderators of their own forums, each can be automatically notified when a new post is made in their forum. Combining into one forum would make that facility moot as would their RSS feeds. Plus it could easily turn it into a sticky/announcement "Hell" among other things. :)

 

Hence the way it currently is.

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Xipuloxx

Fair enough, Paul. You're probably right about the problems of combining them into one forum. I'd personally prefer it to be a collapsible category, and I don't see why it should be different from the rest. But I'm really making a mountain out of a molehill now, so I'll stop...

 

btw, thanks for your helpfulness in this and the "wobbly bits" thread; I don't want you to think I'm ungrateful! :)

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PoC

No worries! :)

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PoC

In an ongoing quest to sanitise the number of forum areas we have I'm considering combining the Classic and Gaslight forums into one.

 

Basically Gaslight doesn't get a huge amount of traffic (though I'd anticipate some increase with the release of Cthulhu by Gaslight, 3rd edition). The differences (technologically and socially) between the 1890s and 1920s are not as great as between those of antiquity and the modern era.

 

Both [Gaslight] and [Classic] optional prefixes would be available in the combined forum.

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Tigger_MK4

I can see your point academically....but it just feels....wrong, to me.

On a psychological level, I'd prefer to see "classic" be left unmerged - or at least left as the interwar years (and maybe add ToC ? or Maybe not).

 

(purity is the keyword mein fuhrer ! ...oh, sorry, channelling famous people again....)

 

Personally I'd suggest merging the two mythos media forums (perhaps in a similar way as you've done for the publishers), and also merge the market square forums...

 

Or if you did merge Classic and gaslight at the "Upper" navigation level, perhaps you could still have them as seperate forums, as per the publishers ?

 

Just posing some ideas....not a rabid advocation/rejection of any of the above.

What do other folks think ?

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Xipuloxx

I agree with Tigger that "Classic" should remain separate, as it's the game's most popular era, judged both in terms of the number of supplements out for it and the number of posts it generates. Merging it with any other era seems ... wrong.

 

If anything, Gaslight should be merged with Antiquita (in a sort of pre-20th century forum) or perhaps "Other eras".

 

OTOH, when the new Gaslight book comes out, I suspect it may warrant its own forum again anyway...

 

I've mentioned before that I dislike the subforum structure you've used for Publishers; I certainly wouldn't want to see that used for Classic/Gaslight.

 

Unless you make everything subforums, having a sort of "contents page" as the first one we go to when we click on "forum" from the front page.

 

This would have categories for "The Game" (subforums for general game discussion and the various eras would be within that, in the same way as the various publishers' subforums are currently within the "Publishers" category), for "Mythos Media", and so on.

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PoC

Some interesting points!

 

I will probably hold off merging Classic and Gaslight for the moment and revisit it later, but the suggestion of merging Collector's Corner with the General Buy/Sell seems a good one, so we'll see about doing that. Book of Dark Wisdom and Unfilmable may (possibly) also be merged under a general "Mythos Media" heading (though less likely). Electric Card Board and Live Action are also candidates. Trail of Cthulhu will be separated so there isn't a large visual block of seven forums in a column.

 

I've mentioned before that I dislike the subforum structure you've used for Publishers;

 

I'm afraid the Publisher forums are very low traffic. It was either the current sub-forum format or the merging of all Publisher forums into one - which is something publishers might not want, as well as raising questions of how moderation would work.

 

We currently have over 20 forum areas, so having a few less probably wouldn't harm.

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Xipuloxx

Some interesting points!

 

I will probably hold off merging Classic and Gaslight for the moment and revisit it later

 

Please, if you do so, consider merging Gaslight with something else instead. Anything else instead! :)

 

but the suggestion of merging Collector's Corner with the General Buy/Sell seems a good one, so we'll see about doing that. Book of Dark Wisdom and Unfilmable may (possibly) also be merged under a general "Mythos Media" heading (though less likely). Electric Card Board and Live Action are also candidates.

 

These all seem good ideas to me, though I think the literary and film forums are possible busy enough to justify remaining separate.

 

Trail of Cthulhu will be separated so there isn't a large visual block of seven forums in a column.

 

I see you've done that now; it looks good. As a non-ToC player, I like having it separate from the CoC forums, as I read all of them but hardly ever read it.

 

I'm afraid the Publisher forums are very low traffic. It was either the current sub-forum format or the merging of all Publisher forums into one - which is something publishers might not want, as well as raising questions of how moderation would work.

 

Yes, we've had this conversation before -- only a few posts above, in fact, though it was quite some time ago! I actually think it would be OK if everything was in subforums like that, it just irritates me to have the publisher forums treated differently. But never mind, that horse is well dead, and indeed quite unpleasantly liquefied by now. It showers me with maggots every time I beat it. ;)

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cjearkham

 

 

If anything, Gaslight should be merged with Antiquita (in a sort of pre-20th century forum) or perhaps "Other eras".

 

If you have to merge it with another group, I vote for "Other eras". It's not old enough for "Antiquita".

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Paddurz
If you have to merge it with another group, I vote for "Other eras". It's not old enough for "Antiquita".

 

Gaslight definately doesn't belong to Antiquita! I completely agree with you on this!

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PoC

I've decided to let Gaslight stay seperate for the meanwhile (hopefully it will pick up further wih Gaslight 3rd edition). I've done a little re-organisation and the only planned merge in the immediate future will be Buy/Sell/Trade with Collectors.

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PoC

Buy/Sell/Trade has now been merged with Collectors and a new [Collector] optional prefix tag has now been added to that forum.

 

This brings us to 20 forward facing forum areas, which should be enough. :)

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Afraid of the dark

Will you be re-stickie-ing those collector threads? Handy having them at the top.

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PoC

It's under review. At the moment I'm trying to locate where the old ~Tome Seeker~ thread decided to go. In the meantime here's a Google cache version (it should still work, even with the web page saved offline).

 

Attached to this post a couple of offline versions (Firefox, Safari).

tome-seeker.zip

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Nemo235

Hey Paul,

Sent you a message on my plan to reformat the ~Tome Seeker~ list.

My theory is it got lost in cyberspace because there were too many characters per post.

So I'm going to work on getting it up and running again.

I hope it helps people find books they really enjoy.

It's my contribution to Ol' Yoggie, since I'm not a patron yet.

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PoC

Thank you. Message received! :)

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PoC

We're currently considering amalgamating the Publisher forums on YSDC into a single forum for use by all Cthulhu publishers

 

There are a number of possible advantages to this:

 

1) It makes the Publisher forum area appear more active with all publisher related posts in one place.

2) It means we stop breaking forum presentation style by removing the "sub forum" aspect of the Publishers' area and also removing one further "drill-down" action.

3) When someone posts in or views the general publishers forum, everyone sees all the other content of the other publishers at the same time which may kickstart more activity in the Publisher forum overall.

4) The Publishers forum can be opened up to more Cthulhu publishers simply by expanding the number of prefix tags, rather than creating yet more forums.

5) It's fewer forums for us to administrate and also for people to navigate, bringing it down to nearer the 20 mark (which is a good maximum limit).

 

The primary disadvantage is a loss of the ability to "Sticky" posts - but often people are subject to "sticky blindness" and the best way to keep a topic in the eye of the reader is to encourage posting of regular content.

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Badger
We're currently considering amalgamating the Publisher forums on YSDC into a single forum for use by all Cthulhu publishers

 

 

The primary disadvantage is a loss of the ability to "Sticky" posts - but often people are subject to "sticky blindness" and the best way to keep a topic in the eye of the reader is to encourage posting of regular content.

 

...which knocked all of the Keith Herber-related Stickies from the top of the MRP Publisher forum. Considering his influence and legacy, seeing this happen is a damn shame.

 

-=Badger

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allicorn

I think it may be the case that although sticky-ing capability has been removed from the Publisher users themselves because of the new organisation, Admins might still be able to permanently stick a few threads that everyone would agree are worth preserving. Not sure. The sticky option still seems to there for me. Paul?

 

Alli

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