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== To Do ==
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There was talk of adding some of the stuff/speculation from the Ghoul thread: http://www.yog-sothoth.com/topic/27356-the-great-ghoul-thread/
 
There was talk of adding some of the stuff/speculation from the Ghoul thread: http://www.yog-sothoth.com/topic/27356-the-great-ghoul-thread/
  
 
I guess the article could also use some formatting, maybe organize it into a couple of sections, such as: Appearance, Origin, Behavior?
 
I guess the article could also use some formatting, maybe organize it into a couple of sections, such as: Appearance, Origin, Behavior?
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-  08:02, 26 May 2014‎ Chukhna
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== Fan Theories and Speculation ==
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* Ghouls share some resemblance to hairless baboons or apes, and may represent a different path of evolution, an earlier stage of evolution, or a de-evolution from humanity (source: "[http://www.yog-sothoth.com/topic/27356-the-great-ghoul-thread/ The Great Ghoul Thread]")
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* Ghouls are known to worship the Great Old One [[Mordiggian]], and his priests wear concealing hooded purple robes and metal skull-shaped masks, which double as disguises when the ghouls wish to walk among humans.  (Clark Ashton Smith)
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* Many Ghouls gather in the great Ghoul city of [[Midian]], built beneath a [[Kingsport]] cemetery near the borders between Dream and Day.
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* Ghouls share some thematic similarities to [[Deep One]]s, [[Tcho-Tcho]]s, [[Dero]]s, [[Wendigo]]s, [[Faerie]]s (or elves, dwarfs, trolls, goblins, witches, ogres, etc.), [[Serpent Man|Serpent Folk]], [[Worm of the Earth|Worms of the Earth]], and other such beings, and might be similar, closely-related, or even completely interchangeable with such creatures.... (fan speculation)
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* Similarly, there is a great deal of overlap between Ghoul, [[Faerie]], [[Werewolf]], [[Vampire]], Witch, and Ogre legends, with clear distinctions between these creatures only being drawn since the Victorian era; aspects from the folklore of any of these creatures might be used to add unique details to Ghouls.  (European folklore)
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* Ghoul-like beings appear in other Lovecraft stories (fan speculation):
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** "[[The_Hound_(fiction)|The Hound]]" (The ghoulish lifestyle of the human narrator and his accomplice, as well as the spectre associated with the strange, canine [[amulet of Leng]] they unearth in an abnormal grave, and the apparently living corpse they disturb in retrieving this tomb-loot. The amulet bears "the ghastly soul-symbol of the corpse-eating cult of [[Leng, Plateau of|Leng]]," which is at least suggestive...)
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** "[[The_Outsider_(fiction)|The Outsider]]" (The narrator claims to have lived his life in a sort of "castle" beneath a stone slab in what appears to be a cemetery, among bones and skeletons he accepted as normal and strange libraries of books, with dim memories "...that whoever nursed me must have been shockingly aged, since my first conception of a living person was that of something mockingly like myself, yet distorted, shriveled, and decaying like the castle...."; at the climax of the story, the narrator reports seeing "the ghoulish shade of decay, antiquity, and desolation; the putrid, dripping eidolon of unwholesome revelation; the awful baring of that which the merciful earth should always hide. God knows it was not of this world—or no longer of this world—yet to my horror I saw in its eaten-away and bone-revealing outlines a leering, abhorrent travesty on the human shape....")
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** "[[The_Picture_in_the_House_(fiction)|The Picture in the House]]" (An encounter with a repulsively youthful and strange old man who has apparently been kept young for centuries by eating human flesh....)
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** "[[The_Horror_at_Red_Hook_(Fiction)|The Horror at Red Hook]]" (The strange tunnels under the neighborhood used by cultists, with underground cells containing prisoners "in a state of idiocy", including mothers with "infants of disturbingly strange appearance" who died soon after exposure to sunlight, prompting investigators to speculate about children born of "demons, incubi, and succubi"....)
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** "[[The_Statement_of_Randolph_Carter_(fiction)|The Statement of Randolph Carter]]" (the undescribed and unnamed hordes encountered by Harley Warren in the crypts could as easily be Ghouls as anything else....)
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** "[[The_Rats_in_the_Walls_(fiction)|The Rats in the Walls]]" (The hellish subterranean cannibal paradise below Exham Priory could as easily have been inspired by, influenced by, or perpetrated by Ghouls as anything else....)
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* Many conclusions might be drawn from Lovecraft's sketchy details about the relationship between Ghouls and humans:
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** Humans evolved from Ghouls.
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** Ghouls evolved from Humans.
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** Humans and Ghouls are different branches of the same family tree.
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** Ghouls are the result of interbreeding between humans and some eldritch horror.
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** Ghouls are some form of mutation.
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** Ghouls are unrelated to humans, and are instead the descendants of alien beings from another world (such as the [[Dreamlands]]).
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** Ghouls are supernatural beings, the results of magic or the miracles of demonic spirits.
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** Ghouls are humans who have contracted some communicable, dietary, or genetic disease.
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** Ghouls are undead beings, malevolent spirits inhabiting human corpses.
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** Ghouls are just a different form of humanity, resulting from the psychological and physical corruption from a steady diet of human flesh and morbid and abnormal interests, entertainments, and lifestyles.
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- [[User:Ywhateley|Ywhateley]] ([[User talk:Ywhateley|talk]]) 03:46, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 03:46, 11 February 2020

To Do

There was talk of adding some of the stuff/speculation from the Ghoul thread: http://www.yog-sothoth.com/topic/27356-the-great-ghoul-thread/

I guess the article could also use some formatting, maybe organize it into a couple of sections, such as: Appearance, Origin, Behavior?

- 08:02, 26 May 2014‎ Chukhna


Fan Theories and Speculation

  • Ghouls share some resemblance to hairless baboons or apes, and may represent a different path of evolution, an earlier stage of evolution, or a de-evolution from humanity (source: "The Great Ghoul Thread")
  • Ghouls are known to worship the Great Old One Mordiggian, and his priests wear concealing hooded purple robes and metal skull-shaped masks, which double as disguises when the ghouls wish to walk among humans. (Clark Ashton Smith)
  • Many Ghouls gather in the great Ghoul city of Midian, built beneath a Kingsport cemetery near the borders between Dream and Day.
  • Ghouls share some thematic similarities to Deep Ones, Tcho-Tchos, Deros, Wendigos, Faeries (or elves, dwarfs, trolls, goblins, witches, ogres, etc.), Serpent Folk, Worms of the Earth, and other such beings, and might be similar, closely-related, or even completely interchangeable with such creatures.... (fan speculation)
  • Similarly, there is a great deal of overlap between Ghoul, Faerie, Werewolf, Vampire, Witch, and Ogre legends, with clear distinctions between these creatures only being drawn since the Victorian era; aspects from the folklore of any of these creatures might be used to add unique details to Ghouls. (European folklore)
  • Ghoul-like beings appear in other Lovecraft stories (fan speculation):
    • "The Hound" (The ghoulish lifestyle of the human narrator and his accomplice, as well as the spectre associated with the strange, canine amulet of Leng they unearth in an abnormal grave, and the apparently living corpse they disturb in retrieving this tomb-loot. The amulet bears "the ghastly soul-symbol of the corpse-eating cult of Leng," which is at least suggestive...)
    • "The Outsider" (The narrator claims to have lived his life in a sort of "castle" beneath a stone slab in what appears to be a cemetery, among bones and skeletons he accepted as normal and strange libraries of books, with dim memories "...that whoever nursed me must have been shockingly aged, since my first conception of a living person was that of something mockingly like myself, yet distorted, shriveled, and decaying like the castle...."; at the climax of the story, the narrator reports seeing "the ghoulish shade of decay, antiquity, and desolation; the putrid, dripping eidolon of unwholesome revelation; the awful baring of that which the merciful earth should always hide. God knows it was not of this world—or no longer of this world—yet to my horror I saw in its eaten-away and bone-revealing outlines a leering, abhorrent travesty on the human shape....")
    • "The Picture in the House" (An encounter with a repulsively youthful and strange old man who has apparently been kept young for centuries by eating human flesh....)
    • "The Horror at Red Hook" (The strange tunnels under the neighborhood used by cultists, with underground cells containing prisoners "in a state of idiocy", including mothers with "infants of disturbingly strange appearance" who died soon after exposure to sunlight, prompting investigators to speculate about children born of "demons, incubi, and succubi"....)
    • "The Statement of Randolph Carter" (the undescribed and unnamed hordes encountered by Harley Warren in the crypts could as easily be Ghouls as anything else....)
    • "The Rats in the Walls" (The hellish subterranean cannibal paradise below Exham Priory could as easily have been inspired by, influenced by, or perpetrated by Ghouls as anything else....)
  • Many conclusions might be drawn from Lovecraft's sketchy details about the relationship between Ghouls and humans:
    • Humans evolved from Ghouls.
    • Ghouls evolved from Humans.
    • Humans and Ghouls are different branches of the same family tree.
    • Ghouls are the result of interbreeding between humans and some eldritch horror.
    • Ghouls are some form of mutation.
    • Ghouls are unrelated to humans, and are instead the descendants of alien beings from another world (such as the Dreamlands).
    • Ghouls are supernatural beings, the results of magic or the miracles of demonic spirits.
    • Ghouls are humans who have contracted some communicable, dietary, or genetic disease.
    • Ghouls are undead beings, malevolent spirits inhabiting human corpses.
    • Ghouls are just a different form of humanity, resulting from the psychological and physical corruption from a steady diet of human flesh and morbid and abnormal interests, entertainments, and lifestyles.

- Ywhateley (talk) 03:46, 11 February 2020 (UTC)