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#461 yronimoswhateley

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Posted 26 May 2016 - 01:16 PM

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Honestly, they don't really arrest people for things like this in America -- not unless they have solid proof that he intended to defraud his backers from the very start of the effort; otherwise it was just bad financial mismanagement, and they would have to build up a case proving financial malfeasance before they arrested him.  Since he actually DID send out a couple of hundred copies of things, the deliberate fraud would be difficult to prove anyway.  Plus, even the process of proving subsequent financial shenanigans would take at least a year, unless maybe he was kiting bad checks or something (which, come to think of it, sounds like it might be right up his alley if he was in bad enough financial shape that he had to steal our money...).  But overall I find it unlikely that this has anything to do with us or the Kickstarter; we've been actually complaining for what, about eight months?  And it was January before anyone actually started any process...

 

What I suspect is that he got picked up for something else entirely (though it was interesting -- and a little frightening -- that the announcement appeared under a lede of "child pornography," even though I couldn't see any direct tie-in from the way the (poorly written) article was written). 

 

I do agree it's highly unlikely it's anyone other than our man; his name isn't that common.

 

Unless they had some reason to think that his Kickstarter activity constitutes "theft by deception" or something like that, I agree:  it's unlikely the arrest is connected to the Kickstarter, and the person mentioned in the article about the arrest was probably arrested for something completely different.

 

Curiously, when I was searching around for more information about the arrest when I first saw that article posted, I believe I saw the name and city of Salem connected in some way with fashion photography.  Is it the same person, and/or is this photographer related in some way to that article's vague reference to pornography?  (it would be too easy to read something sinister into the photographer's strangely specific disclaimer, "I'm not even a weirdo!")  I don't know - there's really not much info to go on.  There is a picture of the photographer on his... interesting Flickr page... (which, for whatever it's worth, does happen to contain photos of gaming-related stuff....)

 

Still, I'm going to err on the side of caution and assume these are all different people, unless someone is able to prove otherwise.  (It wouldn't be the only case of such a seemingly strange coincidence:  I myself have an unusual name, but as a kid my family moved down the street from someone almost the same age, with almost the same address, and we had almost identical names, while our fathers' names were very similar - there was confusion between us all the time, I used to get threatening calls meant for him, police would call me in for questioning over things he'd done, my family got sympathy cards when he passed away, etc....)


Edited by yronimoswhateley, 26 May 2016 - 01:21 PM.

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#462 Lammomedes

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Posted 26 May 2016 - 03:35 PM

"There is a picture of the photographer on his... interesting Flickr page... (which, for whatever it's worth, does happen to contain photos of gaming-related stuff....)"

 

There is one picture, about 1/2 way down, which is a familiar picture from a certain KS that was sent out showing the alleged props awaiting the assembly process. So the owner of the Flickr page is likely the same person from the KS.

 


Edited by Lammomedes, 26 May 2016 - 03:36 PM.


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Posted 26 May 2016 - 05:35 PM

The plot thickens!


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Posted 26 May 2016 - 06:21 PM

Yeah.  It appears there's some fire behind all this smoke -- though not about "pornography."  Instead, it appears to be a history of this sort of financial shenanigan.

 

For those of you now kicking yourselves and thinking; "Man!  I should have run a background check on this guy!"  Don't.  It seems like a lot of this only came to light within the past few months, and odds are you wouldn't have found anything negative on him if you had run a backgrounder on him.  The fact of the matter is that he seems to lack a certain sense of responsibility where his legal and financial commitments are concerned...at least based on what we're now learning.  (Hopefully that last sentence wasn't something that Winston or someone will feel lays YSDC open to legal action -- if it was, please delete with my apologies.)

 

I'd be more specific, but I'm not sure I'm cleared to share the details.  Maybe Alex or Rob can weigh in?



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Posted 26 May 2016 - 06:43 PM

Agreed - I don't have any stake in this KickStarter and only glanced in out of curiosity; carefully reading that Patch.com police blotter item just shows the vague report that someone with that name was arrested in Salem on that date "on a warrant" - which could mean anything or nothing, and as the blotter's editor notes, "This information from the Salem Police Department log does not indicate a conviction."

 

Sounds like there's more information behind the scenes that I don't know about, but the public information does seem to paint a consistent picture of someone with that name getting arrested in Salem at about the time the guy involved with the Kickstarter and everyone involved with him got very quiet.  Oh, and it seems almost certain that he's a photographer, and now we know what he looks like and what else he was photographing while his Kickstarter was supposed to be developed.

 

And, the one thing we know for absolute certain is that the Salem, Massachusetts Police Blotter has an awesome avatar:

 

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Posted 27 May 2016 - 06:45 AM

That IS a pretty awesome patch they've got going there!  ;-)



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Posted 27 May 2016 - 08:18 AM

Well that Flikr page has a little picture of Mr Patey right next to his opening name in the top left hand corner. Perhaps someone with better IT skills can pop it up here for everyone to see?


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Posted 27 May 2016 - 08:57 AM

We've been receiving site reports on the nature of some of the recent posts in this thread.

 

We obviously don't want to leave ourselves open to libel and schadenfreude is often unbecoming.

 

At this point I would suggest that unless there are further positive or useful comments on this unfortunate Kickstarter, it be left fallow.



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Posted 27 May 2016 - 01:23 PM

Hopefully people will keep it non libellous, as it is an important subject and useful for many.


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Posted 27 May 2016 - 04:03 PM

There is a picture of the photographer on his... interesting Flickr page

 

fwiw: those first few pictures appear to be from a stage production of the "Rocky Horror Picture Show" (a popular musical)... so not nearly as salacious as you might think.



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Posted 27 May 2016 - 06:53 PM

That's actually what I thought too, when I saw them -- he was shooting pics of the cast and presentation of the play, nothing else.  And his other pics appear pretty standard "this is the quality of work I do" kinds of shots; all fairly routine for a photographer.



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Posted 28 May 2016 - 11:14 AM

I will keep my feelings to myself on the woes that befall Mr Patey from Salem, but considering I've been embezzled ??? bedazzled??? out of 360 dollars, I'd like the thread to remain open


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Posted 28 May 2016 - 01:46 PM

Anyone going to put that mugshot up? Perhaps we can start a collection.

 

(Collection as in a cornucopia, I hope no one thinks that I'm suggesting that we start a whip round for him). 


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Posted 28 May 2016 - 02:02 PM

Enough I think.
 
There's obviously nothing useful coming out of this right now so I'm putting this thread on hold. When further concrete information appears about the Masks Props Kickstarter it will be appended as additional posts here.
 
Ref
 

I can only assume that Mr Ben Patey has been contacting the site, either directly or via the sites host, to complain.

 
No, Mr. Patey hasn't. Reports have been received from elsewhere.

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Posted 23 August 2016 - 08:30 AM

Thought I'd check on whether the MoN pack of professionally produced handouts made it to Ebay for a potential up and coming campaign.

 

Nothing...so checked back to the original Kickstarter page. Seems this guy Ben Patey basically netted £75k for p*** all and did a runner with everyone's money.

 

WTF??

 

Is this basically correct? 



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Posted 23 August 2016 - 08:42 AM

Merged.

 

Please read the later contents of this thread for information. In essence, it is a very sorry state of affairs.

 

When there's any official news it will be appended here.



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Posted 11 October 2016 - 08:47 PM

Thanks to yockenthwaite for the heads-up on the following post made on Chaosium today.
 

License cancelled for Masks of Nyarlathotep Prop Set Kickstarter
Posted by Michael O'Brien on October 11, 2016
 
Chaosium has cancelled the license for the Masks of Nyarlathotep Prop Set for the Call of Cthulhu RPG
 
This Kickstarter concluded on December 15, 2014 and successfully raised $74,033 with 507 backers.
 
Unfortunately, the creator Ben Patey failed to fulfill the Kickstarter. Nor has he paid the royalties owed to Chaosium, or responded to our messages for more than a year. Backers have expressed similar frustration.
 
While we appreciate (and have experienced ourselves) the challenges of fulfilling Kickstarters, it is the obligation of the creator to make every possible effort to fulfil their project, and maintain communications channels.  
 
Consequently, under the terms of the contract, we have advised Ben Patey that his license has been terminated. Permission to use our trademark, logos and all related intellectual property has been withdrawn.


Source: http://www.chaosium....et-kickstarter/

Again, if I receive any more news, I'll add it here.



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Posted 07 November 2016 - 09:16 AM

Further (and likely final) information relating to this case, from people involved in pursuing Ben Patey about this sorry affair through legal means.
 

Dear Nyarlathotep Backers,
 
I heard from the Massachusetts Attorney General a bit ago. I had sent her copies of the letter, our signatures, and a cover letter explaining our case. She said I should turn to a private attorney to sue. Apparently the theft of 70k is not enough of a crime for the state of MA, or not in the AG’s purview for whatever reason.
 
...I know I’ve already said this but the work he [Rob] put into this case was substantial, and the next step would be him appearing in court to sue (with Ben not appearing), and then to have myself (and possibly other) people come forward as victims of theft to take the criminal route. ...I did agree to go to Salem to appear as a victim, but that is time-consuming work for Rob, and requires travel and a time commitment from me. 
 
...
 
I think it’s time for me to move on officially. What we got from our work is Chaosium publicly severing their ties with Ben and openly saying that he did not pay them for the license.
 
Either we showed Ben with our tenacity that he can’t just let something go away without some consequence, or he still thinks he’s invincible. If he does, he will mess up again, but maybe next time he pays for it. Perhaps either option is better than us wasting any more of our worries and our time on the guy. 
 
If an MA local (or anyone else) decides to hire an attorney and go forward with suing, I am happy to print and send any and all info I have here for that case.
 
I wish you all the best. I enjoyed corresponding with you, and hope to correspond with you or cross paths under some more pleasant circumstances in the future.







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