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#1 TheKingInYellow

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Posted 27 October 2004 - 11:29 PM

This thread is for incidents concerning Samurai Swords only.

 

http://www.nbc5i.com...023/detail.html

Man Uses Samurai Sword To Foil Robbery

Suspect Suffers Severe Injuries

POSTED: 11:13 pm CDT October 26, 2004
UPDATED: 10:12 am CDT October 27, 2004

DALLAS -- An Irving man said he was forced to defend himself against two men who broke into his apartment Tuesday.

The man told police when the attackers pulled a gun, he pulled out his Samurai sword.

Investigators said a visitor to an apartment was on the terrace when he was approached by two men.

One of the men pulled out a handgun and forced the man into the apartment and attempted a robbery, police said. When they didn't get any money, they allegedly pistol whiped the man an knocked him to the ground.

The apartment's tenant heard the noise and ran in from a back room.

Officers said the tenant used a Samurai sword and 10-inch knives as weapons, while one of the suspects fired several gunshots.

Police said all four men were injured from fighting with deadly weapons.

One of the suspects, a 20-year-old Dallas man, suffered severe lacerations and stab wounds to his neck and upper body, and is clinging to life, police said.


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#2 FunGuyfromYuggoth

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Posted 28 October 2004 - 12:06 AM

Now it will be quiet in this town.

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Posted 28 October 2004 - 12:08 AM

Ah, reminds me of the time in my classic - era campaign where a lone cultist with a knife nearly killed all of my PC's. 8)

Even though they got out of that one alive (barely), it was one of the scariest moments in that campaign for my players.

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Posted 28 October 2004 - 03:42 AM

That reminds me of a story I once heard. I can't say if its true or not, but its entertaining nonetheless.

The guy telling me this story was friends with a dealer who sold swords at gaming conventions. After one particular convention he had placed a samurai sword behind his seat in his truck because he couldn't find any other place. As he was driving home he stopped at a light where some guy ran up to his truck with a gun pulled and started to carjack him. The guy slowly got out of the car but reached over at the last second, grabbing the sword by the handle and swung around, slicing the guy in the chest. Needless to say the guy dropped the gun and lay on the ground writhing in pain until the police showed up. :P

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Posted 28 October 2004 - 06:31 PM

Some friends of mine know an SCA enthusiast who was on his way to a weekend gathering and became the victim of a mugging attempt. He ended up basically re-enacting the Crocodile Dundee "Now THAT'S a knife" scene with his 36 inch broadsword. (I believe it was polyurethane, but it looked real!)

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 05:51 AM

Karate man is no burglar fan

THREE would-be thieves who tried to break into business premises got the fright of their lives when they were confronted by a samurai sword-wielding, third dan black belt.

They fled from the premises of Cellheath at the Ongar Enterprise Units in Blake Hall Road, Bobbingworth, having smashed a door window to gget in.

Little did they know that martial arts expert Lewis Montague, 58, was in his office practising with a wooden, but lifelike, samurai sword.

Mr Montague heard noises and pulled the door blind open as the intruders were trying to get in. He let out a blood-curdling yell, called a kiai, and chased them off the site.

The trio drove off in a blue Ford Escort car towards Toot Hill after the attempted break-in at about 9pm last Wednesday.

Mr Montague was in a full martial arts suit or ghi practising on a punch bag, something he often does to unwind, when he heard a knocking on the glass.

He said: "My girlfriend, Julie, was in the kitchen and I said I think there's somebody outside. The next thing I knew the glass was smashed in.

"I told Julie to ring the police. I pulled up the blind and there were three men standing on the other side with metal implements in their hands and we're facing each other. One of them was just a foot away.

"The shout was instinctive and the look on their faces was unbelievable. I'm not sure if it was surprise, terror or fright."

Mr Montague went to unlock the door, but the thieves did not hang around and ran back towards their car and made a speedy getaway.

Mr Montague added: "I ran after them, I jumped the gate, still with my sword and I was still shouting. I've never seen so much smoke coming from tyres before."

Mr Montague is trained in the art of Kyoku Shin Kai Karate and has been using a samurai sword for three years.

Epping crime reduction officer Tony Ellis said: "It's nice to see the terror of crime put on the burglars rather than the victim for a change.

"We would not encourage people to tackle intruders, but Mr Montague had to take the initiative and he did it very well."

The men were aged in their 20s.

Anyone who saw the car in the area should ring Epping police station on 01992 561212.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 03:20 PM

This weekend my wife thought she heard a noise in the garage, and sent me out in the wee hours of the morning to check it out. Rather than taking the Colt, since my wife is still a bit freaked out about guns, I grabbed the katana off the wall rack and took it with me. While the blade is a bit long for my far-too-cluttered garage, and not even particularly sharp, I chose that because it screams "deadly weapon!" to the average teenager.

It was just the neighbors in their half of the duplex garage.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 06:34 PM

Yup, nothing is more comforting than sleeping with a wakisashi [sp?] close by.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 07:17 PM

Hmm. In response to the first post in the thread... That rocks. Anyone with the nerve to rob someone in their own house gets what they deserve, IMO.

But I'd like to point out: As usual NBC goes out of its way to put a liberal spin on the story...

Specifically here:

Police said all four men were injured from fighting with deadly weapons.


All four men were injured fighting with deadly weapons... Really? This kind of makes it sound like defending yourself is wrong. Especially with weapons... I'd like to point out that ABC reported the story online EXACTLY the same way.

Here is a bit of the same story, only with more detail:

The 20-year-old man and his 26-year-old friend, armed with the sword and knife, began fighting with the suspects, police said.

One of the assailants fired several shots, but no one was hit. A 19-year-old Irving woman also in the apartment was uninjured, police said.

During the fight, the assailants were stabbed, police said. One fled when he heard sirens, said David Tull, an Irving police spokesman.

Neighbors had called 911 after hearing sounds of a disturbance in the apartment, police said. The man who was pistol-whipped was treated at the scene, police said.

His 26-year-old friend was taken to Parkland Memorial Hospital, suffering from cuts to his ankle and foot, police said.


That certainly doesn't sound as bad for the folks defending themselves. Not only did they nearly kill one of the attackers, but they also managed to protect the 19 year old woman who was there and escape with only minor injuries. I know if I was home and someone tried to rob us, protection of my wife and children would be my #1 concern.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 10:09 PM

Hmm. In response to the first post in the thread... That rocks. Anyone with the nerve to rob someone in their own house gets what they deserve, IMO.

But I'd like to point out: As usual NBC goes out of its way to put a liberal spin on the story...


Most short stories of this type are quoted directly from the department using the specific bureaucratese that's hard-wired into the writing style of law enforcement officers (LEOs). "Fighting with deadly weapons" is exactly the sort of tortured language you would expect to fall out of the average law enforcement officer's report. The reporter who filed the story is only guilty of not trying particularly hard to paint a picture of How, as opposed to the Why, Where, etc. of textbook journalism. How do I know this, because I work in a job where I have to read reports submitted by LEOs and let me tell ya' it ain't pretty writing folks. I often have to call these guys up and ask, "What exactly does that mean?" :lol:

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 10:18 PM

Most short stories of this type are quoted directly from the department using the specific bureaucratese of the local PD. "Fighting with deadly weapons" is exactly the sort of tortured language you would expect to fall out of the average law enforcement officer's report.


I never considered that. But I suppose you are probably right. That is definately a PC way of described the events that happened.

The reporter who filed the story is only guilty of not trying particularly hard to paint a picture of How, as opposed to the Why, Where, etc. of textbook journalism.


Since ABC and NBC both had the same story / same text etc. it was probably an AP or New York Times reporter that actually wrote it. And both of those sources tend towards the liberal side of things when writing news stories. So, IMO they might be guilty of a bit more than just "not painting a nice picture."

Unfortunately for them, some of us still like to make up our own minds when it comes to such subjects.

Funny thing is, this probably wouldn't have even been newsworthy to them had the robber simply shot the 20, 26 and 19 year olds who were on the receiving end of the robbery.

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Posted 22 November 2004 - 10:54 PM

Funny thing is, this probably wouldn't have even been newsworthy to them had the robber simply shot the 20, 26 and 19 year olds who were on the receiving end of the robbery.


You're right. The station it orginates from is in Dallas, which probably sees more than it's share of tragedy. It's become part of the background noise of everyday life.

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Posted 23 November 2004 - 06:42 AM

Last week some punk broke into our garage and lifted my sisters CDs. As this hasn't been the first time someone felt free to rifle through our garage and take whatever they please, I've been trying to convince the rest of my family that I should be allowed to wait out in the garage with my pistol (My dear, dear pistol) and apprehend me some thiefs. While use of force is allowed in Montana to protect property you own, my intent is not to wound or kill, but humiliate and apprehend (Save for maybe a pistol whip)... Strangely, my family opposes this... Bastards.
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Posted 23 November 2004 - 08:51 AM

Last week some punk broke into our garage and lifted my sisters CDs. As this hasn't been the first time someone felt free to rifle through our garage and take whatever they please, I've been trying to convince the rest of my family that I should be allowed to wait out in the garage with my pistol (My dear, dear pistol) and apprehend me some thiefs. While use of force is allowed in Montana to protect property you own, my intent is not to wound or kill, but humiliate and apprehend (Save for maybe a pistol whip)... Strangely, my family opposes this... Bastards.


I understand that you're angry, but you still want to be really careful where weapons are involved. If he's also armed you could find yourself in a very bad situation, since the thief will regard you as a threat and be more likely to respond with force (assuming he's armed). I support your desire to defend your property, and I think people should be able to own guns. I'm just advising caution, since it doesn't take much for these things to get out of hand. Maybe you could put a videocamera in the garage instead; he'll still get caught and you won't have to take such a big risk.

Sorry if I seem like I'm lecturing, I just thought I should mention it.

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Posted 23 November 2004 - 09:11 AM

No, I know what you mean. We've considered putting a camera in the garage, though the lighting doesn't lend itself to surveilance. I've been itching for a fight for a while now, but a gunfight in a garage is not what I had in mind
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Posted 23 November 2004 - 11:57 AM

You know, I can't believe that Ozzy Osbourne doesn't have a samurai sword:

http://news.scotsman...m?id=1345982004

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Posted 23 November 2004 - 12:20 PM

And anybody who would rather have a claymore had better be quick about it. The sale of all swords is to be banned in Scotland.

http://news.scotsman...m?id=1345182004

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Posted 23 November 2004 - 03:15 PM

The sale of all swords is to be banned in Scotland.


"But officer, it wasn't a sale, I gave it to him as a gift. It's the least I could do, why just the other day he had given me this wonderful gift of all these little bits of paper with protraits of the queen on them"

Slightly off topic, but I just love it when people try to argue that a cashless society will make crime impossible. Crime existed long before money was invented, and will exist long after our paper has crumbled to dust.

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Posted 23 November 2004 - 05:52 PM

What happened in KiY's case seems like a crime of opportunity. Statistically, I hate to say it, your likely burglar is someone down the block. Yeah, someone you or your family knows.

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Posted 23 November 2004 - 06:24 PM

Oh no doubt, we suspect it's someone who can see us come in and out of our garage. We were in the house for maybe thirty minutes when the last raid took place- someone had to be staking us out to know when the opprotunity was correct. So I want to do a little surveilance of my own, but end it with some inappropriate pistol whipping and humiliation...

I also wouldn't mind getting our stuff back.
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